MGTOW and your second childhood

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MGTOW and your second childhood

Post by toddturner » Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:42 pm

We often reflect that MGTOW delivers benefits in monetary terms. I have recently reflected upon another benefit: the second childhood.

I am now 42 and I went through puberty around 30 years ago. When I was 11 or 12, my life was a series of fun hobbies: backyard baseball, building model airplanes, fishing, coin and stamp collecting, etc. Basically nerdy stuff from a female perspective.

Then puberty hit, and I completely reordered my life in the pursuit of women. Whether consciously or unconsciously, all my major decisions were impacted by the question: "Is this going to make me more or less attractive to women?" The specifics aren't important, but I engaged in numerous behaviors and activities that I didn't enjoy---simply because they increased my chances of getting laid and winning female approval.

This continued through my twenties, with the attendant stress and wasted time. Women even dominated my leisure activity choices, as they do for many men. To cite one specific example: How many guys really enjoy going out to nightclubs? But most of us have been there because that is where the women are. Women enjoy those vacuous environments because there they can be the center of attention.

I gradually drifted into an MGTOW lifestyle from age 30 forward, after having some relationships with women and coping with their constantly evolving needs and desires. As I've shared on here before, my sex drive isn't exhausted yet, and I do make occasional use of escort services (who are generally cheaper and nicer than their non-commercial counterparts). However, I haven't been on a "date" since 2001. I don't go out of my way to offend women, but nor do I worry about impressing them anymore.

What I have discovered is that the long dormant and suppressed 12-year-old is coming out again. By this I don't mean childish behavior; but the simple enthusiasm for hobbies and interests that are only possible *before* you start to notice women.

I have also rediscovered male friendships--another facet of life before puberty. I'm not talking about anything queer here, but simply the fact that male friendships are often neglected when men hit puberty and the pursuit of women becomes the priority.

I actually have less stress in my life at 42 than I did at 25 or 30. By contrast, my married friends are constantly stressed and financially strapped. In addition, few of them enjoy sex very much with their middle-aged spouses.

Obviously, I wish I could have connected these dots thirty years ago. But better late than never, I suppose.

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MGTOW and your second childhood

Post by Elaraith » Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:07 pm

My life has been a never-ending childhood (with the exception of a few years in high school), and I have my low sex drive to thank for that.

I work with lots of other men (in the trades, construction electrician) and too many of them are unsatisfied with their wife/girlfriend. There's one guy that I work with that is constantly stressed out and tells everyone about his problems with his girlfriend. He's 29, has a kid, and his girl has 2 kids from her previous marriage. She doesn't work (no surprise there) and takes the kids out to the beach and smokes weed all day and pretends that she works hard at home. Just recently, I saw him arguing with her over the phone at work, then he hasn't showed up at work for a week.

Being single and free to do what I want is the best feeling in the world.

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MGTOW and your second childhood

Post by Modelautoman » Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:19 pm

To suppress your inner child is to die inside. Don't let anyone tell you its
time to grow up because they want you to. I'll build model cars till the
day I die. and if it wasn't for being so tight now I 'd get in to those R/C
trucks I have been seeing on YouTube and certain websites.

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Post by zak » Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:45 pm

I believe our inner child is our wellspring from whence all play and enthusiasm for life springs.

Sure sex is good. Our desire for children and sex is strong. But *wanting* children, wanting to share life with another person of your own making, is something that comes from your childhood. Back when we knew how to make friends and didn't think about why.

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Post by Madsen » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:54 am

Calling a man "Peter Pan" is typically used as an insult by women, implying that he hasn't grown up, taken responsibility, etc etc. However I've long seen the story of Peter Pan as a cautionary tale for young men --- showing the problems that you incur when becoming involved with controlling females. Pan had a pretty sweet life on the island ... hanging with his friends, fanning the rivalry with Hook, having Tink infatuated with him. Then Wendy comes along and basically ruins it all. :( He'd been better off not ever getting involved with her in the first place.

Second childhood's are good, and never losing that child-like sense of wonderment, curiosity and joy is even better! :)

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Post by salinger » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:24 am

[quote]We often reflect that MGTOW delivers benefits in monetary terms. I have recently reflected upon another benefit: the second childhood...

I actually have less stress in my life at 42 than I did at 25 or 30. By contrast, my married friends are constantly stressed and financially strapped. In addition, few of them enjoy sex very much with their middle-aged spouses.

Obviously, I wish I could have connected these dots thirty years ago. But better late than never, I suppose.

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Couldn't agree more my man. My life is far less stressful now than it was in my 20s. Then again, I'm no longer chasing women. Every married guy I know is stressed to the limit, and is always complaining about finances and how demanding their wife is. Many of them are on their 2nd marriage, having kids with their 2nd wife while still paying off the first wife. Sheer insanity.

Of course, they never fail to lay a guilt trip on me for being happily single.

In the past week alone, I've had 2 guys tell me all I need now is a wife and kids.

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Post by edred30 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:08 pm

Hey toddturner, I'm the same age as you and I feel the same way. The effect that puberty has on a boy is amazing. It points your life in a completely different direction. I feel sorry for the guys who are forever in its grip...slaving away for female and societal validation.

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Post by lavastorm » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:47 pm

My long-dormant inner-child woke up when I discovered MGTOW, like a grizzly bear waking up from hibernation. Before, it was always about taking family and friends seriously about adjusting my behavior to impress girls and families of prospective "mates."

Nowadays, family and friends guilt-trip me into "growing up" while their marriages are consuming them into oblivion. Misery loves company.

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MGTOW and your second childhood

Post by Modelautoman » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:48 pm

A second childhood? I don't think I ever left my first one. Go figure, eh?

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Post by superbad » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:57 pm

+1 , i never stopped being a kid, except for making money. i also never "dated". i ended up living with chicks i hung out with. i never quit hanging with my buddies (the old ones are married) or doing hobbies. IMO it is a fatal mistake for men to spend too much time around women and their nonsense. plus, it ruins the dynamic. it feels great to have funds for all the interests you had as a child.

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Post by Grenade001 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:55 am

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In a lot of ways I haven't changed at all since I was 12-13. Back then, I used to ride my bike everywhere, listen to cool oldies music, read history books, watch Top Gear and read car magazines. At 22, I do all those things, while also going on road trips, hanging out with friends more and fixing machinery up on occasion. Being single AND having the disposable income to do it all means that I have generally low stress levels.

I've always noticed how much nonsense my friend's with girlfriends have to put up with and it bewilders me sometimes as to how they don't pack it in some days. I also noticed how despite the both of them earning more than double my wage, they always seemed to run out of money. I go on holiday four times a year and still save well over $10k per year. On their wage I would be easily saving over 70% of my post tax income and still live as I am at the moment.

Another thing that has always got me thinking is how men will jump over all these hoops to get promotions, a better house, new cars, etc. when there is a girlfriend around but few ever do it for their own sake. I notice this when I do my own self improvement, every one assumes that I'm trying to impress a girl, yet no one seems to think that I do it to not be crap, for my own ends.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

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Re: MGTOW and your second childhood

Post by thekingsfool » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:14 am

Modelautoman wrote:A second childhood? I don't think I ever left my first one. Go figure, eh?
Heh heh me neither. Not planning to either. :D

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