lasttry wrote:Not only does anger prevent a person from moving forward in life, it is an embarrassment to those of us who have moved forward to be associated with angry men. The taunt "crybaby losers who can't get laid" rings only to true for these guys.
Certainly some spend their lives feeding off anger and going nowhere, but some men have been hurt far more than you and I: I wouldn't begrudge them their anger. And there are definite stages to escaping the blue-pill Matrix, of which anger is certainly one, and I wouldn't criticise men who are currently in that phase. Of course the goal (as the title of the posts suggests) is to move beyond the anger stage, but it is not always easy.
Anger is for children and savages.
That's an oversimplification. Some things merit anger. Some things don't. Genuine injustice is something which any morally and emotionally healthy person should be angry about.
If reason reveals that women, marriage and children reduce rather than increase a man's happiness, then he should stay away from women, and that is difficult. Heterosexual men are conditioned in early childhood to see women as the only acceptable sexual outlet. These men will feel like failures without women, as long as that conditioning is in place, as long as they have a sex drive, even a feeble sex drive.
That's true enough. It's a matter of seeing through the lie and breaking one's conditioning. Which is easier said than done.
For those who can afford it, P4P is a way to reduce the feeling of failure. My own approach was to attack the social conditioning at it's root
Yours is a better approach than trying to alleviate the symptoms with hookers. If nothing else, it's cheaper...
Mostly what women offer Mr sexually is validation that I'm a real man rather than a pitiful wanker, and at age 54 I'm way past the point of being seriously bothered by lack of such validation.
Many men never reach that stage, sadly. Again, the social conditioning is strong. Shaming men who don't have sex is something of a sport in the West. Which brings me to this comment...
As exellent as Jagr is (I as a fan of his when he basically joined Nacho's forum at the same time I did), I feel that it gets to be absurd hearing "all women are like that" from some 30 year old VIRGIN on that forobsessedum.
I get your point but why the caps? Our gynocentric, sex-crazed society wants to embarrass men for being virgins. We shouldn't follow suit. And yes, again, I do understand your argument, but -- reiterating what @lasttry said -- males are socially conditioned to regard themselves as failures if they are not having regular sex with a woman
(especially if they've never
had sex with a woman). This conditioning is harmful: it keeps men in bondage and makes women ever more entitled and obnoxious. For the sake of both sexes, we should work to undermine it. And although I don't know this Jagr fellow (I avoid the other forums because they always overdo the anger), surely nowadays even a 30-year-old virgin with eyes in his head can see what has happened to Western women. It's reached the stage where many men are realising they don't have to eat the sh*t sandwich to know what it is. Personally, I wish I'd gone my own way when I was 30. It would have saved me much trouble...
Hell, MGTOW is probably tainted by the Zionists of the world to further their anti-white-male agenda anyway.
Interesting comment. Who do you think these Zionists are, and what is their ultimate goal?
(If your answer is involved and you're concerned it'll be OT, you can PM me -- or maybe start a separate thread.)