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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:33 pm

Here was a thread which Modelautoman started at the original Happy Bachelors Forum

Here is what he had to say

Women's liberation in a way liberated us. I read similar remarks in various threads on this forum and I believe it has come to just that. To any of you female trolls reading this forum and I know that there are many, I have news for you. You're so-called liberation simply liberated us men. You want to know where the good men are? Here's the answer. YOU wanted us out, now we're out! So long! Farewell! Goodbye! Adios! The economy and society are going to collapse as a result and we aren't going to be your knights in shining armor to rescue you from it because you wanted us out. We men are going to be safe on the shore as society sinks. Now let's see how good you can swim. But don't expect us to throw you a life ring.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:33 pm

turdferguson writes

Damn right, they wanted to step down off the pedestal we built for them with centuries of our hard work and blood to keep them out of harms' way so we finally stood back and let them. After all who wants to be accused of being a chauvanist pig holding them back? The pedestal has long since crumbled so no turning back now. Sucks down here in the real world doesn't it ladies? Not as nice in the Matriarch as the feminists promised you it would be, is it?

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:34 pm

nemesis writes

I almost agree with this. But generally, I think that the feminarchy has realized that men are starting to opt out and are planning a full-scale war on us as a result.

This is how I see it playing out:

1) Culture War:

The feminarchy has already launched a culture war on bachelors and MGTOW's. Their angle is that we are 'Irresponsible and Childish.' This is why I always harp on the 'Peter Pan Syndrome' craze. It is a propaganda technique taken straight out of the fascist playbook. They don't even have to prove it. All they have to do is say it over and over and over again, because people are generally stupid and will believe anything you say if you say it enough.

2) Economic:

There WILL be a huge upsurge in frivolous and unfounded lawsuits by women against employers and any other men they can sue. If women can't get money from husbands, they will get it from SOMEWHERE. The gynocrats and lawyer-loving Obama and Biden will make especially sure that it gets even easier to sue people for any reason whatsoever.

3) Legislation:

Again, with Obama and Biden in office, the feminarchy is sure to pass even more legislation that harms men of all stripes.
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The way I see it, by opting out, we're depriving the feminarchy of their power over us. The history books show that when any group of people gets enough power - through whatever means - they are LOATHE to give it up.

The feminarchy sees us MGTOW's and voluntary bachelors as a threat, which we are, because their power resides in their control over our minds, actions, and wallets. Once we take those things away, they will no longer have power over us. Their answer is, "Screw that!! We'll show them!" I expect major offenses from the feminarchy against bachelors and MGTOW's on three fronts: cultural, economic and political.

Make no mistake. The feminarchy plays for keeps. They will not willingly give up their power. They will get pissed, and they will act, and we are their biggest enemy. Plan accordingly.

My strategy is to tell people to go F__K themselves. I will not debate, I will not argue, I will not engage.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:34 pm

sjenner writes

Well put nemesis, could not have said it any better. Me- I plan to NEVER marry or have children. Heck, I am almost 40 and love my freedom and sanity. American women ignore me anyhow so now that I have sworn them off, I have zero tolerance policy for them and a fat bank account and peace of mind to thank for it. Unfortunately, we have criminals running the government and banking system and no decent men to get elected so I suspect things will get worse in terms of taxes and economy for men. Having a business to write off taxes is best bet and take yearly bachelor trips to avoid traps is good bet.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:35 pm

spocksdisciple wrote

As a guy on the north side of 40 I totally agree with Nemesis, I think the femnazi leaning gov't will try to crackdown on single men, whether it is punitive economic measures or social stigmatization, it won't matter, I see this as a war of subjugation, those few power hungry women will want total control if it's possible for them.
For a lot of single men who are now wising up and realizing just what's going on I would say this "Do nothing..." what I mean by that is, don't mount a counter offensive against the fems, you won't win, they're too entrenched and they're counting on men to behave like traditional men, eg attacking the threat, the fems will have to be very careful how they approach a total takeover of society. Men are still in a lot of key "heavy lifting" professions and in the enforcement professions, alienate too many men and you could have a full-scale revolt, look at Iran 1979, the Shah made too many "modernizations" too quickly and the conservative men and women in that society rebelled.
In this case my advice is the same as everyone else's here, disappear, join the Ghost Brotherhood, maintain financial liquidity(don't invest in your own subjugation, don't invest in this society). Adopt Libertarian tactics and become as independent a man as possible, this means financially, emotionally and socially, not to mention physically, this doesn't mean ignoring your loved ones, it means taking responsibility for yourself and not being just anyone's fool.
Learn a lesson from all the manginas around you and don't do what they do, they're a good object lesson for any man who wants to know what will happen to them should they submit to feminist propaganda.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:37 pm

Camoka writes


[quote]You want to know where the good men are? Here's the answer. YOU wanted us out, now we're out! [/quote]

They wanted us out when they wanted to "have fun", but now when they are "ready" they want us running back at them with open arms...

even though I am one of the guys whose had success with women, even i have been kicked out, been kicked so far that when i look at the distance I need to run with open arms, I go "n"... and continue walking the direction I was kicked to, sampling the ladies now and then when I have a short pit stop.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:38 pm

Camoka also writes


[quote]For a lot of single men who are now wising up and realizing just what's going on I would say this "Do nothing..." what I mean by that is, don't mount a counter offensive against the fems, you won't win, they're too entrenched and they're counting on men to behave like traditional men, [/quote]

Similar thing happened today.

A friend, a socialist emailed something about the crisis, with the usual blabbering, "as usual it is the low economic classes which will be hit hardest" Duh! Sherlock... As if that is not expected...

anyway, i go on a debate about encouraged joblessness by the benefits payed by my taxes. suddenly an email attack followed from all sides. to my person, to my ideologies etc...

the same happened with my talks on women, I cannot finish a sentence before I get to hear some isult or shaming phrase from men...

Yes,

Once you enter this way of thinking (MGOTW), young man (for example me), dont do anything. Dont try to talk to others with whom you know they have no intention of even thinking about a red pill.

they are too many, and they have the laws in their favor, and the hopes that some magic pussy will one day see their worth...

For some men, no amount of pain, logic or experience is enough to hear the basics of MGOTW or the marriage strike.

Talking about this will only hurt you, and there is no point in doing that.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:38 pm

anarchiste writes

"The economy and society are going to collapse as a result .


We are taking this for granted.

I am not sure at all that society will collapse as a result.

Remember that marriage has not been practiced at all times. The actual Rev. dates back to the 15th century. It has not worked well for anybody except the government and the church.

Society can thrive without marriage. The Greeks did not have formal marriage, at least the way we practice it today: they built a civilization that still has repercussion to the present.

In Rome, marriage was very losely respected. You only had to say to your bride:"I marry you", the bride did the same and... pronto , you were "married".
The same for divorce. The Roman saw marriage as a necessary evil.
Today, that evil is no longer necessary.

The main benefactors of marriage are, in that order:
1-Government
2-Children
3-Women.

The main losers in marriage, in that order:
1-Men

Do you see why women, the churches, the government, the media, etc... are putting pressure on men to marry?
Everybody benefits from marriage and that's why it is common belief that the marriage strike will make civilization collapse... hahaha!!! Collapse my ass!
The only drawback in marriage is that it is always men who lose. Always the same loser: YOU.

Pressure on you to get married? Well, of course!



By marrying, you will fill everyone's coffers AND your own coffin.

Can all see that?

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:39 pm

thousandmilemargin writes

" The economy and society are going to collapse as a result ....
We are taking this for granted. I am not sure at all that society will collapse as a result."



I agree. The idea that our society will collapse because we are undermining marriage and the nuclear family, the bedrock of our society is misguided in an idealistic sort of way.

There is a confusion here between sick and dead. The collapse of the nuclear family has created all sorts of pathology. But not all sickness leads to death.

You can be pretty messed up in the head and still turn up for work and do your job. It is even possible to have a miserable personal life and still be good at what you do, whether you are a cop or a programmer, a teacher or a burger flipper.

Things are not going to fall apart just because most people were raised by single mothers and have issues and addictions.

The question is - when does it become so hard to find people who are still functional that you can't keep the busses running or the floor swept or get the filing done? I think you need a very, very sick society before people get to that point. Even miserable drug addicted depressed alcoholics can turn up do their jobs, most of the time.

As Anarchiste pointed out, there have been plenty of societies that functioned OK without formal marriage. As an atheist I see human history as stretching back over a million years, and for most of that time people lived in tribal groups, like large extended families, not in nuclear families. In some tribes nobody really cares who the father of a child is, they often don't know, it doesn't matter because the extended family will pitch in and help regardless, the mother's brothers and all the men who MIGHT be the father act as uncles, and boys are initiated into manhood by the tribe.

Left to themselves women will have 4 kids by 4 different fathers between 16 and 30. This isn't so bad if there are no divorce courts, no child support, no marriage, no culture of animosity towards "ex's", and the extended family, including uncles, all help raise the child regardless of parentage. Uncles can provide male role models for boys in cultures where THEY ARE ALLOWED TO. For example, if uncles have a cultural and legal right to discipline boys even when the mother objects, and if all the men in the community are legally allowed to impose discipline on ANY teenage boy, and make a point of doing so, you will not have delinquents even when fathers are unknown or absent.

If you think back to a small town in the 50s, not only did boys have fathers, but uncles and ALL other men in the community would impose discipline on boys when they got out of hand - there was a community standard which the community imposed on boys.

The problem in the West is the the nuclear family has been destroyed without putting an extended family/tribal community framework in its place. That is what is so destructive. But it is possible to raise healthy boys outside of a nuclear family, if other males have a cultural sanction to impose discipline and provide and example.

I know that the male-headed nuclear family had provided many benefits in the west and played an important part in the rise to prosperity. But it wasn't the nuclear family per se that held society together - it was the product of the nuclear family, LAW-ABIDING, RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS. You can create such citizens in an extended family or tribal community - we just aren't doing it.

I say this because I think marriage and the male-headed nuclear family is dead, and we are not going back. many would conclude the system will collapse as a result and would like to see it collapse, because they think it deserves to collapse.
I think it can stagger on, although ill, until a substitute takes its place.

Unfortunately the substitute will be socialism. Perhaps that was the idea.

I can imagine a world, a few decades from now, where advances in robotics mean that you don't NEED very many well adjusted people to run the economy and provided for everyones material needs. One percent on the farms, one percent in the factories, another couple of percent to manage the shipping, engineering, robotics. The 5 percent of people who turn out well adjusted despite there upbringing can do this.

The other 95% of people are useless. The can be bureaucrats, social workers, manicurists, or just collect a pension. Basically the government will "employ" people or provide them with benefits, funded by taxes on the corporations who own the robots that actually do everything, and supporting all the "useless eaters" will be relatively cheap thanks to robotics. Taxes probably won't be too high on individuals because there's no point, only a small percentage of the population have a real job. You won't have to tax corporations too heavily because it will be relatively cheap to support most people - they will be very poor compared to the elites but still comfortable. So the economy doesn't collapse because of socialism. Motivation isn't an issue because business is done by robots controlled by a few geeks who do it for the love of it and make billions anyway.

In such a world single mothers can bear the children of various fathers with the benefit of a state pension and free childcare assistance. They'll probably have found a cure for all the STDs as well ( it will be a big spending priority I'm sure), and the government will look after you no matter what, so basically there will be NO CONSEQUENCES and NO RESPONSIBILITY.

Once all the women are safely provided for by the State, the current oppressive divorce and child support laws will be done away with - no longer required - and the bad boys of the nation can drop round to play ball with the various sons they fathered by different mothers, all in a spirit of good will. Socialism, meet Polygamy.

After a generation or two the animosity between the sexes will die down, as there won't be any divorces or custody battles any more. Women will have children as a result of casual relationships with alpha males and bad boys who treat them badly (and are thus greatly respected), without ever getting married. Ordinary guys won't bother with women much, thanks to the amazing quality of virtual reality sex featuring the hottest celebrities.

Kids will turn out only slightly fucked up because there mothers are still on good terms with the bad boy fathers, who come round occasionally to take their sons go-carting.

I guess what I am saying here is that socialism will actually work ( in the sense of not collapsing) when robotics technology is advanced enough, because YOU NO LONGER NEED PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS - just a few keen geeks and a billion robots. And the robots will be able to provide for women and all their incessant demands. So you no longer need husbands.

If you don't need productive citizens, and you don't need a man to look after women, you don't need the nuclear family.

The State + robots can provide for women's material needs. And you no longer need productive men to fund the state.

But who is the State exactly? A few powerful men and women. So in a sense we come full circle to tribal polygamy. A few powerful men are able to provide for many, many women through the mechanism of The State. Since women prefer to mate with the most powerful men, once their material needs are met, a few "big men" will father children by many women.

At the moment powerful, wealthy men would avoid leaving a trail of pregnant women behind them. But once the State has conquered marriage, there will be no need for the child support and paternity laws, a truce will be declared in the sex war, and all the negative consequence of paternity will be removed.

So the rich and famous few will be free to scatter their seed bareback to their adoring fans, without fear of consequence (no Studs, no family ), leaving hundreds or thousands of progeny behind them to be raised by the State and its trusty robots and community centres.

Having served their purpose in destabilizing the old regime, the drug dealers and bikers will be sent to re-education centres, and rather than screwing bad boys women will be seeking out Congressmen, athletes, models and musicians to father their offspring. Most children will be fathered by the top 10% of men, "the chosen ones". Like I said, back to polygamy. But in a socialized world where there are no consequences and no obligations.

And the nerdy guys? Virtual reality sex will be so good them most would hardly be bothered with a real women, unless she was a total babe. But there will be lots of single moms around, lonely because their hero boyfriend has 20 other kids. And you won't have worry about about the consequences.

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You think this can't happen? Well, the Fabians have been working towards just such a paradise for the last century. It's the great liberal dream - the end of poverty, the end of social restraint, free love all round, no guilt, no shame, no consequences, no rules, no regrets.

Society doesn't have to be healthy to get there. It just has to crawl on its one remaining good limb into the emergency room with one lung intact, and the doctors can patch it up later. If 100 million people die along the way, there's plenty more where they came from, as Mao might say.

We just have to hang on to some semblance of civilization for another 30 years, until robots that are agile and smart enough to do 90% of human jobs come along and put most of the workforce out of a job. At that point the state steps in as a provider - the rule that "any man who would eat must work" is done away with, and every citizen gets a pension as a right. Ideally you also need to cure all STDs, but that's on track anyway.

Once all people are provided for no matter what ( and most men no longer have a job ), women don't have to worry about looking for a provider. And the next phase of the sexual revolution can begin - the end of the sex war, the end of marriage, the beginning of a casual polygamy.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:40 pm

sjenner writes

Thousandmilemargin, I applaud your sci-fi distopian vision of the future and it makes a lot of sense! You really should write a sci fi fiction book about this! It could become the next Harry Potter hit and make you rich.

"YOU NO LONGER NEED PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS - just a few keen geeks and a billion robots. "

I want to be one of the rich smart geeks working with robotics! I would have a few smoking hot supermodel sexbots to keep me company.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:41 pm

anarchiste writes

Some men have expressed the fear that the government will come down on them like hawks and force them to marry.

Let me tell you that it will not and can not happen.

All you would have to do if it ever happened is to say that you are basically an irresponsible individual or that the thought of having to assume responsibilities is a paralyzing thought or that you are genetically lazy. The number of possible excuses is probably unlimited.
How could the government force an irresponsible man to marry a precious woman?

Some may be too proud: just think that pride is much less precious than freedom.

Who gives a shit if people around you think you are irresponsible? WTF? It's only electrical impulses in somebody's brain. Big deal! Shaming tactics have had their useful lives.

We are free now. No one, but no one can take that away from us.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:41 pm

turdferguson writes

Great essay TMM. As out there as it sounds the fundamentals are in place for this utopia to happen. We already have 40% of all Americans paying zero income tax. Most of those 40% take more out of the coffer than they contribute so they are actually worst than non-productive. "Useless Eaters" is what Hitler called them.

But as like you said with enough automation 95% of humans could be like cattle on a farm mooing away with all their basic needs taken care of by a few farmers doing an hour of chores every morning with the help of machines kept running by a few geeks.

The "bulls" would be a select group of elite much like the Third Reich SS who were the only ones allowed to mate with the pure Aryan german ladies at the Nazi stud farms. This was done so that the fraulines would not become impregnated by the riff raff back home who were unfit for war and thus pass on inferior genetics.

The modern UN version of this theme would use elite men of various races, nations, and cultures as studs to mix things up and break down any and all remaining national, racial, and cultural identity in subsequent generations. Men and women deemed unfit would be sterilized and those who volunteer to work for the utopian leaders will be be rewarded with extra rations of food, a flying car, or a cloned playboy playmate

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:42 pm

sjenner writes

But as anyone who has a basic understanding of genetics can tell you, this utopian breeding program will fail. It is genetic diversity that builds a stronger human race. I do hope that more men take up the free march of MGTOW.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:43 pm

Spocksdisciple writes


[quote]You think this can't happen? Well, the Fabians have been working towards just such a paradise for the last century. It's the great liberal dream - the end of poverty, the end of social restraint, free love all round, no guilt, no shame, no consequences, no rules, no regrets.
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and I'll finish off the paragraph by saying "No point", there would be no point to existence, it wouldn't be a civilization, more like an ant farm.
If humans ever went down that techo utopian path we would be extinct as a species in 1000 years.
You would breed out the most essential traits needed for survival, and believe it or not robotic technology will never be able to substitute for 100,000 years of ingrained survival skills.

I could see some sort of environmental disaster taking down the whole civilization if it were as fragile as described.
Remember, bad boys, criminals etc don't produce a thing and they cause social problems which will continue to mount. And most women could careless about such things as long as their material needs are met.

What all of this sounds like is Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, a place not worthy of ever remotely being called a human civilization.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:44 pm

toysforfun writes

The movie "Cherry 2000", popped into my mind at one point. The tribal thing, now that is right on, what a lost trade. It was in a mans best interest to help other men of his community to become productive members of society, but outside of creating gentlemen, it was the work ethic that built the country. Times have changed. One day my grandpa told me had been on a stroll, stopped to sit on a park bench in a peaceful setting watching some children play and some ladies chased him off. I said, welcome to the post-feminist era Grandpa, you could be a pedophile.

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Post by outcastsuperstar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:44 pm

turdferguson writes

Communal living only works if you follow a strict set of Patriarch rules much like the Amish. Of course if they ever modernized the men would lose control of the women in record time and would end up here on HB with the rest of us

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