America: What went wrong?

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Post by Prodigal Son » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:41 pm

Gentlemen,
I've just finished watching this programme:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/4od

I have to say, it paints a very bleak and disturbing picture of a country that I've grown to love and respect over the years, a country that I admire for what it's accomplished and shared with the world and a country that is in many ways a brother in arms to the the United Kingdom. I am however starting to wonder what's happened, can the United States really call itself a great nation when it has one in five out of work, countless millions homeless, children starving and undernourished and social problems that many experts are saying will only get worse with time.

I look to America and I feel a great pity for the people who now find themselves in a very horrible situation, what annoys me most of all though is that the government there seems to be doing nothing, most don't qualify for state benefits or housing and that's so sad as you'd think a country of so much wealth and stature in the world would do more to help those that need it most. I totally understand that there's a recession on at the moment but whilst watching the programme above I was touched by the stories of some of the people involved, no matter what they still retain that very typical American tenacity, courage and great determination to make the best of things but shouldn't they at least get support instead of being left to rot?

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Post by bothrops » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:49 pm

I am however starting to wonder what's happened, can the United States really call itself a great nation when it has one in five out of work, countless millions homeless, children starving and undernourished and social problems that many experts are saying will only get worse with time.


We have always poured billions in aid to various countries and the third world while ignoring starving Americans at home. This has never set well with me. For example-I don't wish for any child to go hungry but a nation should take care of its own first.

I look to America and I feel a great pity for the people who now find themselves in a very horrible situation, what annoys me most of all though is that the government there seems to be doing nothing, most don't qualify for state benefits or housing and that's so sad as you'd think a country of so much wealth and stature in the world would do more to help those that need it most. I totally understand that there's a recession on at the moment but whilst watching the programme above I was touched by the stories of some of the people involved, no matter what they still retain that very typical American tenacity, courage and great determination to make the best of things but shouldn't they at least get support instead of being left to rot?


The majority of the people at the top only care about themselves and lining their pocket book.

People are having to foreclose on their homes left and right. Not all have bought above their heads either-people are still getting laid off and there are no new jobs waiting for them.

The middle class has been taxed to the breaking point and the pigs at the top are still crying for more.

Our "support and benefits" system is ass backwards. It allows leeches on society to have generations on welfare and drive nicer cars than those who have to work for a living.

Much like the UK single moms have learned to abuse this as well-pumping out more children to get more aid.

While previous administrations played their part in all this I truly believe Ozero's admin. is the worst one yet.

If there ever was a time we needed true leadership rather than a career politician it is now.

I typed this while heading out the door-I may add more later.

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Post by Modelautoman » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:50 pm

America is about classism now.

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Post by rebel » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:58 pm

You can all point your fingers at feminism for this sad state of affairs.

Your country has been damaged by your "wimynn".

All was fine before feminism. The poison has been injected in heavy doses, beyond lethal. No wonder the U.S. is going down the gutter.

Now, just like THE oil spill, it is spreading throughout the planet (of the future apes).

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Post by toysarefun » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:18 am

Women would rather talk about it all day than do something about it, which would require not talking and instead, working. Now men are becoming like this as well.

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Post by oldschoolbmx37 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:05 am

The fall of this country can be directly attributed to the rise in cellphone use.

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Post by boogyman » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:23 pm

[quote]The fall of this country can be directly attributed to the rise in cellphone use. [/quote]

Could you expand on this theory?

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Post by oldschoolbmx37 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:10 pm

Cellphones destroyed the world. spocksdiciple is RIGHT ON - people do NOT physically connect anymore, it's just press gay little buttons and make a funny sound on a hand-held, radioactive device. Ohhh lookit me, I'm a celebrity, I download "apps" I'm just like "Jersey Shore." Ten years ago, when these things were still seen as "for emergencies," these problems didn't exist. People still went out and did things.

Now, go to a movie theater on a weekend and look around. It's endless little screens lit up, people can't even focus on the 75 minute long, computer generated piece of shit on the screen. Next, go to a restaurant... observe couples. They're too busy with their phones to even truly talk to eachother. I've walked out on a few dates in my life, because they wouldn't shut the fuck up on their phones - or stop "texting" anyone/whoever.

That leads to another point- I teach. Kids can't even read anymore, if it's over a paragraph. I've read somewhere about how if it can't be said in 420 characters or whatever the text/facebook/twitter limit is, it can't be absorbed by this current generation. Next, read their "writing," which is half in "txt" writing, and includes emoticons.

Seriously.

Yes, I have one.. but oddly enough to me, it's still "for emergencies." Days on end go by that I don't even touch the thing. It's a basic PHONE, not a status symbol to get me laid - like a lot of commercials are starting to envelop - "Don't live with phone shame."

People can't even look you in the eye anymore when you talk to them. There are all sorts of communication problems - but ALSO, it's the "society of narcissists" that spocksdisciple also mentioned.

Thanks to video cameras and digital cameras in these things, every idiot out there can now upload pictures of themselves drunk, holding a red cup, and making a cheesy little sideways peace sign with duckface kissy lips to their myspace/facebook/friendster/youtube/whatever.

Why?

LOOKIT ME!!! LOOKIT ME!!! I'M A CELEBRITY!!! LOOKIT ME!!!!!

Bullshit.

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Post by recluse » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:24 am

Reminds me of a fairly recent George Carlin skit.

"we don't have to worry about Big Brother,we have to worry about a million little snitches"

Robin Williams commented about the use of cell phones to videotape him during his act.

Something to the effect that the woman doing it was not in reality,"put the phone down and look at the stage,he looks like a hairy comedian-
Yoo hoo 7 of 9"

not verbatim.was much funnier

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Post by recluse » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:29 am

[quote]America is about classism now. [/quote]

"Money is the reason to be"

Iggy Pop

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Post by fisk » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:17 am

I once read the "Foxfire" series books about rural Appalachia which interviewed old timers on how they lived. No money, electricity, refrigeration, A/C, running water, etc. Transportation was by horse, mule, walking. They said the Great Depression was not noticed by them because they never had cash/money anyway. They grew their own food (farms, gardens, orchards, raised their own chickens, hogs) built their own shelters, took care of their own family members and community. Divisions of labors of men/women/children/elderly. There weren't many choices. Bonds were strong. If one was sick, the others helped out. Crime was about zero. People and children entertained themselves. People talked with each other, that was all there was. Mutual dependence. No television, radio. Visiting friends, relatives was typical.

A guy at work told me his great grandmother didn't know that the Great Depression or racism existed until she moved to the city. In the mountains and countryside, everybody was in the same boat living a similar lifestyle, culture with the same interests, concerns.

A old guy once told me that if a bank had told the pioneers that they would lend them the money to build themselves a house/home with a 30 year mortgage, they would of laughed in their face. They just got together and did it within a few months, (certainly not by today's standards or codes), and added on/improved as resources allowed.

Another old guy told me during the Great Depression, the necessities of life were cheap, food and shelter were readily available, there was always a place to live and something to eat, just that there was no money. The necessities of life were mostly available, but not any luxuries. My grandmother raised chickens in the city limits. Everybody was free to do pretty much what they needed to get by. (America, land of the free).

I had heard that the industrial revolution was to free men of the labors of life and that they would live lives of leisure pursuing the higher life, arts, spirituality, and becoming what mankind was suppose to be (whatever that is), (perhaps like classic Greece).

We once relied, depended on each other as individuals (integrity, honesty, dependability, virtue defined a person as a person of value, and deserving of benefit), now we put our safety, reliance, dependence, wellbeing in authoritative power (institutions, government, police state, bureaucracies). We have toys (technology) to entertain us, and that's become our main focus, entertainment (perhaps a diversion) but not much purpose/drive to do something we consider to have real meaning, importance.

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Post by thegreatgasby » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:07 pm

America went wrong when George Bush was in office way back in the year 2000.

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Post by oldschoolbmx37 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:19 pm

GODFATHA got that right!

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Post by wc » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:19 am

"Money is the reason to be"

Iggy Pop

Ha!

I swear recluse, these musicians must all have philosophy degrees!

fisk,

Thanks for sharing your stories, they were interesting. I was thinking of checking out the Foxfire series of books? I read somewhere that the first half of the series were the only ones worth having, as the second half of the series were more or less a rehash of the first half?

Excellent analysis spockdisciple,

All one has to do is take a closer look at the Amish and other such communities that have refrained from modern technology to see first hand its effects. The close community ties, strong family bond, lack of crime, etc, is the norm.

In the movie: Lawnmower man 2, Beyond Cyberspace, Patrick Bergens character Dr Benjamin Trace, (He was the father of virtual reality) had this to say;
Too much technology consumes the soul. He was living in a shack in the desert at this point in his life and had abandoned the modern world.

WC

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Post by boogyman » Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:46 am

Interesting. I do know that solitary females in public often use their phones as a shield to keep single men from approaching them. At least that's been my experience. Of course if I looked like Brad Pitt I'm sure they would turn off their phone and perma-scowl and turn on the charm in record time.

Although we all love invention they do have a way of changing social structures, many times for the worse. Charles Kettering, the inventor of the automobile electric starter, did more to liberate females from the role of homemaker than all the Feminist leaders combined.

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Post by artbunker » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:31 pm

What went wrong in Ameica.. Hummm we stopped talking to each other. We stopped following up on our politicians (I dont care if your Liberal or Conservative) We just stopped paying attention to the laws around us. 3. Greed. We wanted things all the time and worked ourselves to death not only that we wanted to keep up with the Jonses so badly we forgot to look at the wrold changing around us.
4. The feminization of our society. A little bit of senestivity here and there ok. But our society ahs become too feminized. Too relient on Womens opinion and catering to women too much. I do beleive if a woman is a better canadite for a job then so be it she got it off her skills. But after Clarence Thomas Sexual harrassemnt thing the workplace became too PC ..

Which brings me to another thing . Our world is too PC for its own damn good. Always gotta say the right thing or do the right things . Im almost waiting for thought crime laws to be passed or the Ministery of Love to come about.

Also although Im into computers someone was right about technology killing our need and changing around us too fast. I would recommend a book called Future Shock. Its old like around 1970 but its interesting how most of the stuff in that book wasnt too far off.

Finally, we let moral authority get too out of hand in this country. We let our values decline. We stopped respecting each others way of life and let the almighty dollar dictate everyting in our lives

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Post by superbad » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:10 pm

some would blame the federal reserve, shit politicians, socialism, the a-holes in Hollywood, the media, corporate America, the grays in area 51, etc. but not me. IMO what went wrong was candy corn. something in that damn corn we ate as a child, caused an explosion in the number of uber-pussies. i'd break off the different colored layers, but each always tasted like sugary wax. Thomas Paine said it best: "It's the corn, stupid!"

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Post by shade47 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:31 am

I think it's a stretch to blame the collapse of america on poor phone manners... I think portable communications devices have made business much more efficient and is the only thing keeping the economy from collapsing under the dead wieght of the worthless female majority workforce.

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Post by rowingdude » Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:55 am

[quote]America went wrong when George Bush was in office way back in the year 2000.[/quote]

No No No and more NO.

The country was on a slippery slope WAY before G.Dub took office. The problem is these progressive "feel good" policies. Things that are nice on paper but fail in real life (wealth distribution, trickle up economics, etc). Over the past decade the president is irrelevent. But if you want to play these games..

The Obama crew have spent TONS more money than G.W ever did in 8 years. This is both publicized and covered up because no one wants to label black jesus as bad *sigh*.

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Post by loser » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:20 pm

Here's ANOTHER take on it. Although I'm White, and the author focuses on Black families, the concept remains. I have first-hand experience witnessing the dismantling of the social construct.

My daughter, who I've been estranged from now for 7 years, started out as one of the most lovely, sweetest, open, delightful children one could ever ask for. Don't laugh, it's true.

Natural artist ability, excellent with both the sciences and Math. For both my daughters, Parent-Teacher conferences were all good. Their elementary (primary) school teachers just gushed over having them in their class.

My oldest was one of applicants.

Since I have been eliminated from the "family unit" the following has occurred:

Erratic behavior.
Experimentation with drugs and alcohol.
Dropped out of what is arguably one of the best High Schools in the nation.
Contact with Law Enforcement.


Windy City Silence
The truth behind the citys youth-crime spree remains unspoken.
1 October 2010

The Daley dynasty in Chicago may be giving way to the Obama-Emanuel political machine, but one thing remains constant in the Windy City: youth violence and a collective refusal to acknowledge its root cause. On the one-year anniversary of the beating death of a Chicago teen by his fellow students, Chicago remains in denial about the driving factor behind such mayhem: the disappearance of the black two-parent family..."


http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon1001hm.html

I NEVER struck my wife. I NEVER berated my wife. I raised my voice ONCE in our marriage.



Sometimes I think what it would be like to start another family. Christ Jesus, I wish I could turn back time and reboot. But of course, that's impossible. Plus take another chance of another marriage and family imploding?

No Fucking Way.

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Post by loser » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:48 pm

Meanwhile in a related story:

"...A Michigan man, who allegedly fathered 23 children with 14 women, has been put behind bars last week after owing more than $500,000 in child support payments.

Howard Veal, 44, of Muskegon was sentenced to two to four years in prison well above the guidelines that calls for a 6-month jail stint.

According the Grand Rapids Press, Kent County Circuit Judge Dennis Leiber said he was "stunned and amazed" by the case and that Veal was the "poster child for irresponsibility."

"Animals procreate, human beings are supposed to nurture their children," Leiber told Veal..."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... iled_after_ owing_500k_in_.html


Thanks...you fucking jag-off asshole. Thanks for making a difficult life just a little bit harder for every Man out there.

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Post by loser » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:40 am

Central, 2980 comments / 663 sheeple linked the "article" to their Facebook account / 32 tweets.

Amazing.

I used to be envious of guys half my age, now I just feel sorry for you.

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Post by boogiepop » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:34 pm

The moment child custody went from the father to the mother. That is when we were fucked. Father custody is the bedrock of civilization, the very heart of it. If the family is not the father's, men have no incentive to continue being fathers and continue caring for families - especially when his wife strips him of his child.

Most men marry because marriage is attractive to them. They get legitimate children (supposedly) and a wife that can not take his children away from him. She can not just get fickle and divorce him without fault on his part and if she does leave, she gets nothing. The children stay with him. In a real sense, he WAS the head of the family because the family belonged to him. When those things are taken away, civilization crumbles because men are not invested in building families any more, nor in putting in the work necessary to raise successful families.

Men take care of what they own, but when they are not the head of the family and in a real sense, the person that "owns" it, he has no incentive to marry and take on that task.

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Post by loser » Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:50 pm

Culled from CL


No matter what our kids and the new generation think about us, WE ARE AWESOME !!! OUR Lives are LIVING PROOF !!! To Those of Us Born 1925 - 1970

TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE 1930s, '40s, '50s, '60s and '70s!
First, we survived being born to mothers who may have smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate bleu cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then, after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on doors or cabinets, and, when we rode our bikes, we had baseball caps, not helmets, on our heads.

As infants and children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, no booster seats, no seat belts, no air bags, bald tires and sometimes no brakes.

Riding in the back of a pick- up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle, and no one actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter, and bacon. We drank Kool-Aid made with real white sugar. And we weren't overweight.

WHY?

Because we were always outside playing...that's why!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day. And we were OKAY.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride them down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Play Stations, Nintendos and X-boxes. There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVDs, no surround-sound or CDs, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet and no chat rooms.

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth, and there were no lawsuits from those accidents.

We would get spankings with wooden spoons, switches, ping-pong paddles, or just a bare hand, and no one would call child services to report abuse.

We ate worms, and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls, and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.

Imagine that!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers, and inventors ever.

The past 50 to 85 years have seen an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of those born between 1925-1970, CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives for our own good.

While you are at it, forward it to your kids, so they will know how brave and lucky their parents were.

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it ?

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Post by smogboy » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:03 pm

Classic, loser. I kinda miss playing in the street.

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