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Post by analyzing » Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:40 pm

This blogger named Roissy has his opinion on paying for sex
but then this guy chimes in named matt and makes this comment.

The comments in brackets are from Roissy. Interesting debate.
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Matt says:

I feel like this whole post is bit beta:
You are too concerned with how others perceive you, this is a youth thing.
Very high status men have limited time, and even less patience. I want to fuck 18 year old girls, but I dont want to talk to them, spend time with them, and I dont take them seriously as prospects for any kind of relationship.
When I was in grad school I fucked lots of 18 yo undergrads, I am too nice to treat them badly, but spending more than an hour with someone who is 5 years out of watching saturday morning cartoons is too taxing.
Now that I have lots of money, I want to use it to get laid. I also think its nicer than leading on a young girl who doesnt know whats what.



Again, your problem is you have low self esteem.



You get a nice ego boost from getting some chick to sleep with you willingly.



When you actually have confience and have slept with enough random girls, you might consider paying for it.



Again Im older, and richer than you, its a different things.



Plenty of hot 28 yo women want to date me, because they hear their clocks ticking and want to hitch their wagon to my rolls royce. That is my default, but that can be a pain in the ass, if I want to get laid I dont go to a bar, I go online pick out who I want to fuck, and have them come to my house. Trust me nothing beta about that!



Your ego, needs to validation of your game from random girls.



When you dont need game, and your ego doesnt depend on the affections of bar trash, you order pussy like you order a food at a restaurant.



http://www.roissy.wordpress.com/2010/11 ... g-for-sex/

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Post by extraycrom » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:27 pm

IMO you pay for pussy in some way or another everytime you get it.

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Post by 3dartist » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:30 pm

Both approaches can be valid. (Although, Rossie's claim that these women love him is naive.) But, the whole idea of calling men "beta" is not useful. (Being popular with women is not the measure of being a man to say the least.)

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Post by shade47 » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:49 pm

I understand what the older wealthier man is saying. He understands that its always about money no matter who he fucks. The 28 year old aging party who wants him to pay for her future. The 18 year old waif wants him to pay for her whatever. They say Freedom isn't free. I say Free pussy isn't cheap...

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Post by wymnzlulz » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:59 am

[quote] IMO you pay for pussy in some way or another everytime you get it.

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Exactly.

That Roissy dude doesn't realize that he isn't getting anything for free there. Pussy costs. It'll cost your time, your stress, or your hard cash, but nonetheless, it fucking costs, and it costs a lot.

Men view sex as something pleasurable and fun. Women view sex at best as a barter tool and at a worst as a tool for extortion.

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Post by superbad » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:40 am

edit: btw, i wonder what percent of guys, married over 10 years, would prefer to be single and pay a 20 YO over dealing with their wife.

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Post by ryan30 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:10 am

Sex without payment is a big contradiction.

As the good book says "Men will always pay a hefty price for their sexual needs even if the price is their peace of mind".
There are no free lunches in life. One way or the other u will pay....DEARLY.

Roissy as with the rest of his lowlife PUA community will deliberately hide the risks of associating with women in an feminist infected world. I have read some PUA stuff and not a single "Guru" wants to talk about life threatening diseases, false rape accusation, date rape, and God knows what other kind of evil traps a man might be exposed to. These scumbags are only interested in selling their products and getting u to attend their over prized seminars. Then what u do with that material is none of their concern. They are no different than our cut-throat business houses who support feminism to sell more products to women.

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Post by bachelorman » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:28 am

I almost exclusively pay for sex these days.

I have a "girlfriend" who's five years older than me - 35 - hot little filo career girl with massive jugs who's never had kids. We have fun together and I consider it a casual relationship, she does too.

Once or twice a month I also hit a cat house and burn through a 20 year old Korean/Japanese/Thai/Chinese/Singaporean student and have my fun.

Why do I do this? Because I want to.

There's nothing "beta" about paying for sex. Being "alpha" means knowing what you want and getting it, not basing your entire concept of pride and self worth on whether or not you can get some broad to suck your cock.

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Post by recluse » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:36 am

[quote].. I have read some PUA stuff and not a single "Guru" wants to talk about life threatening diseases, false rape accusation, date rape, and God knows what other kind of evil traps a man might be exposed to. These scumbags are only interested in selling their products and getting u to attend their over prized seminars. Then what u do with that material is none of their concern.
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Post by Grimjack » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:04 am

[quote]

edit: btw, i wonder what percent of guys, married over 10 years, would prefer to be single and pay a 20 YO over dealing with their wife.
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I'm pretty sure I fall right into this category...

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Post by rorschach » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:57 am

I wish the UK had the same system as Amsterdam. Brothels need to be brought back - security, health checks, comfortable location - ie like the love hotels in Japan. They could tax it and have loyalty cards - buy five shags get one free. Tesco could have branches.

I don't even want to try working out how much time, effort and money previous women have cost me in my mangina days - especially with the usual rare experience of sex after the too short "honeymoon" period of a relationship.

Sex is never free, there always has to be a trade - unless you can get a woman to show up, fuck you and leave straight away (after making you a sandwich) then you're always going to lose something to her when she's probably had just as much fun (or more) from the sex.

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Post by analyzing » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:09 pm

[quote] IMO you pay for pussy in some way or another everytime you get it.

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Exactly... either way you pay in some shape or form.




The old saying, " you pay them to leave". ;)

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Post by boogyman » Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:49 pm

I think PUA like the challenge of the hunt. For a PUA to pay for a hooker would be like a non hunter paying a hunter to split up his deer. Both men would be eating venison that night but only one man got to experience the thrill and challenge of the chase and kill.

I am far from a PUA but I can understand the appeal to men who have given up in frustration trying to court modern women the old fashioned way by being a nice, respectable guy (which no longer works in our secular culture).

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Post by superbad » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:26 pm

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+1 .

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Post by leeamneus » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:06 pm

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This is why I am heavy handed with PUA's at my sites.

The PUA's, in very short order, being to belittle and name call the non-PUA's and I won't stand for that sort of cutting down.

Roissy is also under 35 or looks it. He is still young and he can still fuck 20 yo club chycks. When he is 45 and he does not look young anymore, and not even Brad Pitt or George Clooney can stave off the march of time, he won't be able to get those 20 year olds anymore.

He's young, he thinks he knows it all and you cannot convince him otherwise.

He also does not understand that when a guy gets over 40-ish, time becomes super valuable and to do something in your 'free time' is non-existant. There is no such thing as sex for free. The time invested is worth money to me and him, the drinks are worth money, the staying up to 2 am is worth money.

Every moment is precious, because you are gonna die.

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Post by leeamneus » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:45 pm

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I am hunted out. I am tired of hunting. I have better things to do.

I want a nice girlfriend, and that's it. No more chasing, no more hunting.

Not everyone has that same opinion.

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Post by garvan » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:58 pm

Pick up can only ever be a hobby at best.

The people who excel the are the ones that end up getting obsessed about figuring out the "game".

Like some sort of constant puzzle they're always trying to figure out. It'd be the same as someone coming back to World of Warcraft over and over because they like the challenge. Figuring out the behaviour patterns of women and tracking them down brings out various mechanisms from when we were hunters, and hunt they do.

To have game, you've gotta love it, and love the thrill of it.


For most men, paying is the way to go. Game is time-expensive, emotionally taxing, and as about 95% of the guys who do it fail (they either give up, or they get with the first girl they can keep and have her as a girlfriend. The true players represent a few of the top percent), you've got much better odds with a ho.

What do you want to pay in? A dude with money already knows what his time is worth.

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Post by 3dartist » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:49 pm

I think it should be noted that there is a big difference between the "hunting" in game and actual hunting, World of Warcraft, chess, rock climbing, basketball, or any other activity. The later activities involve improving yourself mentally and/or physically as well as building your self-esteem. Game, on the other hand, involves simple sales tactics, buying clothes, entertaining, and the mind-numbing bs chit-chat that girls like. Also, game (when done the way the gurus advise) is immensely time-consuming. It sounds like it is all that they do outside of their day jobs.

I absolutely HATE the idea that how many women you get is a measure of your manliness that the PUAs promote and their female-centric worldview. PUAs behave more like women than men. Having integrity and a sense of self is manly.

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Post by MarcusAurelius » Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:32 am

I just want to note on here that I've been following Roissey In DC's blog for well over a year now. He does drop a lot of PUA shit on there, but this guy is GOOD. Make no mistake, he calls the bitches like they are...go through his archives...you will find some really good stuff on there. I am a fan of his blog.

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Post by superbad » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:37 am

+1 guys, i aged better than all my friends. i dated a teen in my mid-30's because i look young. the PUA lifestyle, even for the alphas, isn't sustainable. my 6'6" 300-lbs-of-muscle friend was a force to be reckoned with. now, nearing 40, he's toast. like women, he never thought the sun would set on him. think about it, he may live another 30 years. and he has no money for escorts or trips. it's over. i was young and invincible at one time. now, mid-40's, i'm mellow. that's right, me being on here, calling feminists f--king bitches, is the kinder, gentler superbad. HEHE

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Post by bachelorbob » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:05 am

also mid (near late) forties and was once condidered Alpha + material had two wives shake me down for most of my assets and started over at 40. Live on 1/3 of what I used to need to make the "nut" and still enough left over to make pussy runs to Dallas and Houston when the mood strikes otherwise I chill raise my boys and remain invisible to the women. will never raise my public profile to a point that the bitches can smell the money pheremones again.

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Post by analyzing » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:50 am

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This is why I am heavy handed with PUA's at my sites.

The PUA's, in very short order, being to belittle and name call the non-PUA's and I won't stand for that sort of cutting down.

Roissy is also under 35 or looks it. He is still young and he can still fuck 20 yo club chycks. When he is 45 and he does not look young anymore, and not even Brad Pitt or George Clooney can stave off the march of time, he won't be able to get those 20 year olds anymore.

He's young, he thinks he knows it all and you cannot convince him otherwise.

He also does not understand that when a guy gets over 40-ish, time becomes super valuable and to do something in your 'free time' is non-existant. There is no such thing as sex for free. The time invested is worth money to me and him, the drinks are worth money, the staying up to 2 am is worth money.

Every moment is precious, because you are gonna die.[/quote]


Even though the quote wasn't mine... I see where you are coming from

I read your post over on his blog... nice one! 8-)

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Post by symphony » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:59 am

It is all a matter of strategies that you wish to take - I think PUA/Game as described by Roissy does have its points scientifically validated based on human nature - anybody who remembers Desmond Morris' documentaries and books on sex, will find a lot of what Roissy says is right from Desmond Morris. Nothing new under the sun.

They used to show Desmond Morris' documentaries on the Discovery Channel back in the day, but now, being neutered by political correctness, I have not seen it since the late 90's...damn, I'm old...

My experience in particular (circa 1990's), would be an exception to PUA/Game especially during my college daze with the ratio of women to men of 7:1 (went to college down in south Florida), you really just had to stand there - pending you weren't a severe lard ass, but any normal type college student of reasonable weight and height could expect sooner or later a woman to approach and talk to him - in class, on campus, at a club, etc....and want to hook up a couple dates later...maybe that is where Allah's paradise is...south Florida...but you don't have to detonate yourself...just enroll in any college there...lol

However, I have seen that using PUA/Game/Roissy's techniques or more accurately, they should be describe as "Desmond Morris Applied" - DMA, for short, does give quite good results when not in a completely biased area like south Florida with the skewed ratio of women to men of 7:1 that women just come up to you...but as used where Roissy is at in Washington, D.C. or other concentrated biatch area like Toronto, Canada.

So PUA/Game/DMA, does have its demographic appeal and strategical validation, but also the strategy of paying for escorts seems to have its validation where time is of the essence for men. One should not discount the other in terms of strategy, IMHO.

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Post by superbad » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:35 pm

[quote]So PUA/Game/DMA, does have its demographic appeal and strategical validation, but also the strategy of paying for escorts seems to have its validation where time is of the essence for men. One should not discount the other in terms of strategy, IMHO. [/quote]
+1 great point : both are MGTOW. thing is, at 50, it is unlikely a man will be doing the PUA shuffle. PUA's alter their MIND to get in women's pants; it's hardly free. that Latina saw me as a Greek God (a short one LOL). i could do no wrong. an alpha may have tons of women thinking that way. and i'm sure he's willing to "teach" others for just 5 easy payments of $19.95. LOL

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Post by symphony » Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:34 pm

Thanks 8-)

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